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Nice I know there's a ton of wordpress sites out there.
Hot take, in 2024 nobody should be building on wordpress. What do you see it's benefits as
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I love when people let me know they don't like owning the stuff that runs their business, it is interesting. There are many things to say though. 1. These conversations I think are for people who know WordPress, if your just a SaaS follower then yea it's gonna be hard for you to understand why people like owning their own stuff. 2. I built an entire WaaS, which i was already running but actually solved all scalibilty problems in WordPress.

https://youtu.be/XnlAOk0Eg-8?si=P91-oEKJdUMUYtwT▾

. 3 It dominates the interfact, no platform comes close. Numbers speak loudly.
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I used wordpress for years lol
Also had a WaaS company called Zeroie that did was a builder for mobile apps and websites
How does the ownership conversation work with webflow for example where you can export all of your site code and host it @Chowderr
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As long as your hosting your good, if you not then yea....
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If you're not hosting it why does it matter for 90% of websites that are static? Shopify has 4 million + websites servicing 675 million users and $235 billion dollars a year in gross merchandise volume and those companies don't host it
Yes it slightly narrows your websites scope but at the exchange of higher stability, faster sites, ease of integrations, reduction in management and updates, reduces infrastructure costs improves uptime
And the economy shows it doesn't care if you "own" it
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I mean it does not matter to you. If you dont get those clients thats fine. I have clients who come to me all day who want wordpress with a SaaS. A no brainer. Yuo think Woo market is not big? What are we talking here Preference or numbers? That is your opinion. If you dont see that is fine.
People love to hate on WordPress but all your fav platforms integrate with it or have it, so yea the economy is huh again?
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Both, preference personally from my years of experience, but objectively numbers. Woocommerce does exactly 3.149% of Shopifys total merchant revenue. Besides direct ownership (which is proven by numbers to not significantly contribute to any end user or economic upside), I just have not heard anyone give a valid reason for using wordpress.
I just don't understand why it should be used from an objective point of view. Anytime a client wants to do wordpress I either convince them of not doing it or don't take the job lol, if the customer won't listen and can't give any rational reasons then I don't want to work with that customer
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Google is bad at numbers but I can look up other things that refference the economy. Also you cant include prefernce, only numbers. I hear your argument but numbers speak for themselves. For you it is not a valid reason, that still does not mean it isnt valid lol. Thats your opinion. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241089018540593232/1241094670243856434/Screenshot_2024-05-17_112601.png?ex=6648f2fb&is=6647a17b&hm=e51c10faae9c0b0f6892439e236d951f47865608e61fd8137fddc2ef9e62c5c7& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241089018540593232/1241094670558302218/Screenshot_2024-05-17_112611.png?ex=6648f2fb&is=6647a17b&hm=3d0a43eaa25949b8269b6da7655f7a0c7d6e61ba0d7ed529b6ead074b6c8d3f5&
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We were talking about woocommerce vs shopify as ecommerce platforms, total number of sites is irrelevant if you have tons of bad sites not generating revenue
I'd rather have fewer sites more revenue
Like the stat that really matters in that comparison is revenue vs total sites
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You can include all the little specific you want, the numbers are still not close. Just say you don't like wordpress. Thats fine. I am not tryna convince you, even though you are lookig for a reason. Umm people pay for hosting lol....com on now. Easy MRR.
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I also still have yet to hear one objective monetary benefit of using wordpress
That's not a specific lol I agree wordpress has more total sites generating 3% of the total revenue of a company with like 5% of the sites
That is the real indicator
It's not that I don't like wordpress I just genuienly want to know what compells people to use it objectively
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Well it sounds like you want to hear something specific, i am not sure what to tell you.
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Why do you think wordpress is objectively a good choice for building a website
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WHy is not?
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"Yes it slightly narrows your websites scope but at the exchange of higher stability, faster sites, ease of integrations, reduction in management and updates, reduces infrastructure costs improves uptime"
among many others I can list
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Even though the flea market is way to big, there are alot of ways to build something. You are not restricted. Others reasons. Dominates SEO faster then a majority of platforms.
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Via what objective statistics
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Should I ChatGPT or Perplexity.
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One is a search engine one is a LLM interface they have a different suite of features
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The both give good answers no?
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Things that can be used for the same thing doesn't mean they're related platforms but to give you an answer, it would depend on your use case for them, and then you can judge which one is objectively better. Are you saying that wordpress is just your preference and it doesn't have any objective user or monetary benefits
Cause that's a completely valid point
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It has clear monetary benefits - easy MRR on multiple levels. Whether it is a WaaS or not. Even though WordPres is my prefernce I don't use those points in conversations like this. 1. Words controls almost half of the internet, that is fact. Multiple companies are making 6+ figures just from hosting and provider wordpress. WordPress can be used for multiple things and not tied down to the "ecosystem". I think those are a solid 3.
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Gotcha, obviously just a debate but: 1. Mcdonalds has the most burger restaurants in the world, does not mean it is the best tasting, best service, or best cost burger. 2. If we're talking about ecommerce and specifically revenue they're a clear loser: - Shopify has a way higher revenue per site $138/site vs wordpress $3.03/site - Shopify is doing 31.75x in revenue with 2 million less sites (if we're comparing to woocommerce) There's a direct market correlation to why these numbers are so starkly different. Total sites do not matter unless you're talking about getting paid to maintain websites. WooCommerce is statistically and objectively worse performing. 3. Webflow isn't tied down to an ecosystem, you can export everything but CMS items.
I'm not some wordpress hater, I just don't and still don't understand why people use wordpress besides preference, looking for like an objectively or statistically proven reason
Even if you couldn't export it, if you can make way more money and give your users a better experience on that ecosystem why leave it?
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I mean that is like saying I dont understand why people dont have a preference. I question myself everday and ask myself why do people build their entire business on SaaS platforms they dont own when they can open source it? Whether they build it or not. There are alot of factors (whether you include them or not) . Time, Money, Resources, Knowledge, Hype, etc, etc. Why go pay for High Level when you can do the same thing in Wordpress? Same thing whether you include Shopify, Trashfunnels, Wix, etc.
ame conversation people where having a few days ago when 4o dropped. Why should I use Vapi? etc.
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For sure I just didn't know if it was just your preference or if you thought it was objectively competitive with other products in the market
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I mean all platforms have pros and cons, i dont go spitting wordpress everywhere. To be honest I dont talk about it much becuase 99 percent of people do not do multi tenat worpress, whether they have a WaaS or not. So they have no idea what I am talking about. Most think it is the single tenant ecosystem that wordpress usually operates as.
I am both. It is my prefernce and the nubers show it is a good product on the market. Yes i can through in experience but I try not to as that would be to bais.
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Wait which numbers?
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The ones from accurate sources.
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Can you link me
Mine were from woocommerce and shopify directly
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I have not looked up any recently to be honest. Plus I rather the debator do that. Everyone has there own resource they like.
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welp, thanks for the debate Chowderr. It was interesting to hear your take on WordPress. I think we both see that picking a platform often depends on what you need and like. If you find any solid data that shows WordPress is better than other options I'd love to check it out. Always up for learning more. Cheers!
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