3CX ↔ Vapi via Twilio – Two-way SIP setup question...
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Hello there, I’m currently working on connecting our 3CX system to Vapi using Twilio as a SIP bridge, as recommended here and on the inbound SIP guide. It’s working well in one direction (3CX → Twilio → Vapi), but before I try this setup on our real 3CX, I just have a few questions: - Can Vapi redirect a live call back to another 3CX number via transferCall()? - Does the Twilio SIP bridge support this two-way flow reliably? (Vapi → Twilio → 3CX) - Are there any known limitations (caller ID, audio quality, latency) with this setup? - Any best practices or examples you’d recommend? - And finally, is using Twilio the only current way to achieve this kind of integration with 3CX? Thanks a lot in advance 🙏 Happy to share more details/screenshots if needed!
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Hi there! 👋 I'd be happy to help with your questions about connecting 3CX to Vapi using Twilio as a SIP bridge! Regarding your questions: ### Can Vapi redirect calls back to 3CX? Yes, Vapi can redirect calls using the
transferCall()
function, but there are some important considerations. According to the [documentation](https://docs.vapi.ai/workflows/tasks/transfer), the Transfer Call task can redirect active calls to external phone numbers. However, Vapi [doesn't support PSTN to SIP transfers](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1334919245468799007), but does support SIP to SIP transfers. Since you're using Twilio as a SIP bridge, this may allow Vapi to redirect calls back to a 3CX number, though some users have reported [issues with the transferCall() function](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1338538066733957152). ### Reliability of two-way SIP flow The two-way SIP flow (Vapi → Twilio → 3CX) can work but has some reliability challenges. Users have reported [intermittent call failures](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1341449578100031488) with SIP forwarding to Vapi, including 491 errors occurring about 20% of the time. There have also been instances where [Vapi doesn't consistently answer calls](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1343208312249913397) when using Twilio. ### Known limitations There are several known limitations: 1. **Caller ID issues**: Calls can sometimes be [blocked due to caller ID problems](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1341213363744800769), and some users have reported that "all call IDs are same."
2. **Latency**: There can be [high latency when connecting to Vapi servers](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1333747605628391434), which affects call quality. Using Vapi's infrastructure in the closest region to your location can help reduce this. 3. **Audio quality**: Audio quality can be affected by [codec incompatibility](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1336713212233515089) between systems. 4. **Voicemail detection**: Vapi sometimes [returns 404 errors to Twilio's AMD requests](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1334077307966590986), leading to missed voicemail detection. ### Best practices Here are some best practices for your setup: 1. **SIP Configuration**: Verify your [network configuration allows SIP traffic](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1336713212233515089), ensure your SIP server accepts calls from Vapi's servers, and confirm your system handles SIP REFER messages properly. 2. **Authentication**: If using authentication, [double-check credentials](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1336713212233515089) and consider using [Twilio API keys with restricted permissions](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1334941334368419850) for enhanced security. 3. **Setup order**: [Configure SIP Trunking first](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1340813822193041499) before setting up call forwarding. 4. **Monitoring**: Use [Twilio's call quality reports and analytics](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1324731877235359816) to track performance and troubleshoot issues. ### Alternative integration methods Yes, there are alternatives to using Twilio:
1. **Direct SIP Connection**: This might be possible if Vapi supports proxy authentication headers, which [3CX requires](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1335340719317192714). 2. **Alternative SIP Providers**: You could use other providers like [Sonetel, Telnyx, voip.ms, or zoom.com](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1338562413334761524) for SIP trunking. 3. **API-Based Call Handoff**: Vapi can [manage the call and send caller details via API](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1340813822193041499) to your system. 4. **WebRTC or REST API**: These can be used to [connect your PBX with Vapi](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1343565706142154843). 5. **Asterisk**: This can be used as [an alternative to Twilio](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1331674878092382218) for cost reasons. Is there anything specific about any of these aspects you'd like me to elaborate on? Sources: - [Vapi's Transfer Call task documentation](https://docs.vapi.ai/workflows/tasks/transfer) - [Discord thread about PSTN to SIP transfers](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1334919245468799007) - [Discord thread about transferCall() issues](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1338538066733957152) - [Discord thread about call failures](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1341449578100031488) - [Discord thread about Vapi not answering calls](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1343208312249913397) - [Discord thread about caller ID problems](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1341213363744800769)
- [Discord thread about latency issues](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1333747605628391434) - [Discord thread about codec incompatibility](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1336713212233515089) - [Discord thread about Twilio's AMD requests](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1334077307966590986) - [Discord thread about SIP traffic configuration](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1336713212233515089) - [Discord thread about Twilio API keys](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1334941334368419850) - [Discord thread about SIP Trunking setup order](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1340813822193041499) - [Discord thread about call quality monitoring](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1324731877235359816) - [Discord thread about 3CX proxy authentication requirements](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1335340719317192714) - [Discord thread about alternative SIP providers](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1338562413334761524) - [Discord thread about API-Based Call Handoff](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1340813822193041499) - [Discord thread about WebRTC or REST API](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1343565706142154843) - [Discord thread about Asterisk as an alternative](https://discord.com/channels/1211482211119796234/1211483291191083018/threads/1331674878092382218)
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@Vapi Support Bot @Vapi
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Hi there! 👋 I see you've tagged me. Is there something specific about the 3CX to Vapi integration via Twilio that you'd like me to clarify or expand on? I'm happy to provide more details on any of the topics we discussed earlier or answer any new questions you might have. Is there anything else I can help with regarding your SIP bridge setup?
v
I am about to answer all of your questions in the order of ask. The answer to the first question is yes, Vapi can transfer a call to any number, whether it's a phone number or a SIP number. Regarding that Twilio call or SIP bridge, you have to check with them. As of now, there is no known limitation on our side, but it's good to check with Twilio and 3CX. I'll suggest checking Cloudinix blogs for best practices and recommendations. Twilio is not the only way; you can even use Cloudinix as an alternative to it.
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